What’s missing is any real debate. But go out into the world and the lines of debate are pretty clear:
To some, the US and its allies are waging war on terrorism and tyranny, for the sake of democratization and good governance? To others, the so called war on terror’s nothing but a front for a desperate push by Western powers to shore up the economic system they have built.
Today we host two very different views of US foreign policy — its origins and rationales. Former NY Times reporter Judith Miller, left that paper under attack for giving too much credence to the administration’s rationale for the Iraq invasion. She is currently an adjunct fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor to their magazine, City Journal. We’re also joined by journalist, historian and novelist Tariq Ali. Born in Lahore, Pakistan and now living in London, Tariq’s latest book is, The Duel: Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power.
This week’s GOT DOCS? is Lone Soldier, about non-Israeli men and women who choose to serve as volunteers in the Israeli Defense Force. We have an essay from the American News Project’s Nick Penniman about the men behind the investment giants that teeter on collapse, the CEOs who got very rich while their firms crumbled.
Then, our media roundtable on the highs and lows of recent coverage – the fact checks buried on page 23 compared to the front pages heard round the world, the bungled financial reporting, and the big big week where conservatives are suddenly talking about sexism. With PBS’s MARIA HINOJOSA, the Guardian’s IAN WILLIAMS and Pacifica Radio’s AARON GLANZ who’s just published a book based on the Winter Soldier Hearings convened by IRAQ VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR earlier this year.





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Judith continues to change the subject. Chalabi? Still there outside green zone. C’mon Judy.
Judith Miller?
“the winning side … heh,heh,hen …”
What, precisely has Judith Miller to Add, in ANY meaningful way to ANY discussion?
Aspen trees?
I noticed Tariq Ali rolled his eyeballs on that comment.
Geez Laura, you ani’t gonna turn your fine programming into a resurrected
Crossfire, are you?
I. AM. NOT. complaining, just curious.
Ms. Miller – not particularly thrilled with your “let’s look forward” worldview. The mistakes we make will be like the mistakes we MADE.
Okay questions for Judith Miller, coming right up.
Ms Miller, how would you characterise the quality of media reportage, in the US? Do you feel it is serving the needs of the public? Do you see any ways in which it might be improved, or is it the absolute best in the world, as well as the best it ever has been?
It is difficult to determine whether you are headed in the right direction without knowing where you are coming from.
Blame the messenger. You were Complicit you twit
i saw chalabi’s house- even if he lives outside the green zone- he is
surrounded by gaurds- there was recently an attempt on his life- see
below:
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/…..ed+chalabi
Saturday, September 06, 2008
To show you that–despite that famous surge, and despite the favorable
coverage of U.S. policies in Iraq as of late in the American
media–things are NOT going the U.S. way in Iraq, AlJazeera net has
published a file titled: “important Iraqi personalities appeared then
disappeared”. It is a very interesting and important phenomenon. It
points out that Ghazi Al-Yawir, Ibrahim Al-Ja`fari, `Adnan
Al-Pachachi, Ahmad Al-Chalabi, and that silly discdendant of the Iraqi
royal family were all designated leaders of Iraq by the American
occupation but they have basically been rejected by the Iraqis one by
one. Also, how come there was no coverage in the American media of the
major assassination attempt of Chalabi’s life yesterday?
And, Ms. Miller – we can pay off insurgents or “factions” for a hundred years, and the day we stop the money, without political resolution, we will be right back where we started. The money probably retards any political progress.
Why should I give anything Judy Miller says any credibility? Everything she wrote turned out to be wrong yet she seems to believe that she has credibility.
She talks about debate yet she accepted the words of her sources without question
Her and Michael Gordon? I was first, but let’s move on.I detest this evil clueless woman!
What an incurious and shallow spouter of gibberish is Ms. Miller.
How has she ANY credibility at all?
Listening to her is similar to banging one’s head against the wall, it is much more pleasant when it stops, but the question remains, why begin?
As well as having some meager clue as to WHERE you intend to go!
Let’s leave out HOW and WHY, as these concerns only COMPLICATE things.
Keep it simple-minded, always.
Judith Miller, as in: I have no journalistic standards, Judith Miller? I am not a journalist but a PR person for Dick Cheney, Judith Miller?
She is the reason I canceled my NYT subscription.
Why is she being honored by an audience on GRIT TV?
Hardly honored. We believe in debate.
Ms Miller, you do not write the headlines yet your stories always seemed to be spouting and concentrating on the information provided by your good friend, Mr Libby and other members of the Bush administration.
How can you claim to be an “independent” journalist when all you did was act as a stenographer/mouthpiece for the administration? How did your reporting differ from Ari Fleischer standing in the front of the White House Press Room? Where’s the skepticism towards the government? Or did your journalism classes omit the lessons of history showing how often incumbent administrations lie?
we thought it would be an interesting conversation . . . and I think it was.
There is something to be said for hearing things from the horse’a ass, the enablers who conspired us into war as well as bankruptcy.
I hear you…
..but I can’t hear the broadcast.
NOTE TO ALL, the live stream will continue shortly – 1p EST aka 10a FDL – our media panel convenes with PBS’s MARIA HINOJOSA, the Nation’s IAN WILLIAMS and Pacifica Radio’s AARON GLANZ
ah, there’s the problem. It’s MUCH more interesting with the sound up.
Point taken.
Will I have to wait until tomorrow to hear the interesting conversation? Or will it be posted somewhere else?
Am hoping to see Ms. Flanders ask tough questions!
Thanks.
ha-ha-ha!
I seem to only be able to see your programs once they are archived. Am I doing something wrong, computer-wise?
The full hour show goes up at 8pm tonight — this panel on it’s own will be avail Friday morning.
You *should* see a live stream player from Mogulus in the post above that has a big “Turn Me On” button . . . but if you have internets issues, your computer may not be able to handle a live stream . . .
gotta run – we’re starting the next panel in a few minutes – which will stream here, so CHECK IT OUT!
Got any favorite media clips from the week? Specifics you loved or hated or could not believe your eyes that you were seeing?
Laura:
I do not ‘believe’ in debate, however I do appreciate and welcome (and even enjoy) reasonable and thoughtful debate.
You had HALF of that in attendance, Laura, and you are to be commended on seeking to broaden debate and also enhance the actual process of consideration.
So, I award you full marks for courage.
And appreciate your presence here very much indeed.
Thank you, once again (got my adrenaline pumpin’, you did), Laura.
Thank you.
I agree. Judith Miller is a failed journalist. Her reporting for the New York Times on the run up to the Iraq War was most regrettable and is now a continuing source of embarassment for the Times. But we live in a shameless age.
I used to trust the NYT, and “journalism” like Ms. Miller’s on the Iraq invasion is responsible for my disillusionment.
Ms Miller, have you read Marcy Wheeler’s ANATOMY OF DECEIT?
I must be doing something wrong here, as I can only see the program and not hear it. Sound says “Maximum” and speakers are turned up.
sometimes the sound is down when we are just setting up the lights, and putting mikes on the guests and other tv tech activities…could that be what you saw but did not hear?
We just had 20 minutes of sound up . . . great media chatty sound. This was a great panel today (and you can see it at this spot tonight at 8p)
Lisa, could you ask Judith about the Commerce Dept’s indictment about US dual purpose electronics being used for the IED’s and EFP’s killing our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan…?
I posted on it here…
Here’s a notable quote…
sorry, I can’t – the live show was at noon
what do you think she’d say?
I could only bear to watch for about 10 minutes, but I just had to stop, otherwise I would have had nightmares tonight. Imagine putting Judith Miller together with Tariq Ali ??!!
I don’t know if any of you noticed, but Dr. Ali looked from the beginning like he almost couldn’t bear to be in the same room with that woman, much less try to “debate” with her. Personally, I’d at least like to muss up her hair!