I am not going to try to produce a treatise on the fly here, but it seems to me that we are flailing in the dark until we produce some terms that are accurate and define — that is to say, they draw a circle around the concept that excludes everything we want to exclude and includes everything we want to exclude. This is hard work, but if you want to create a ‘frame’ that has power to persuade, it has to be done.

our democrats are now on board and they actually told the president the constitution is nothing but toilet paper, “go ahead and take away the fourth amendment, go ahead and give immunitiy to crimes you don’t even know the scope”

man, we are SO under seige

cheney’s team b was known long before we attacked Iraq, yet we allowed this sociopath to start a war, even though we were full well warned, he did it again in Iraq and now he does it yet thrice in Iran

THIS time the cia is in FULL FORCE to raise the alarm, yet cheney will NOT BE DETERRED

even obama and clinton are discussing this as if Iran is some kind of threat IN SPITE of all proof otherwise

the following is a paste from the link I posted, it was published LONG BEFORE we invaded Iraq, yet it fell on deaf ears;

Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney are at it again.
Last week, Rumsfeld told the press we should be preparing for “the Long War,” saying of the war this administration has stirred up with its attack on Iraq that, “Just as the Cold War lasted a long time, this war is something that is not going to go away.”

The last time Rumsfeld talked like this was in the 1970s, in response to the danger of peace presented by Richard Nixon.

In 1972, President Richard Nixon returned from the Soviet Union with a treaty worked out by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the beginning of a process Kissinger called “détente.” On June 1, 1972, Nixon gave a speech in which he said:

“Last Friday, in Moscow, we witnessed the beginning of the end of that era which began in 1945. With this step, we have enhanced the security of both nations. We have begun to reduce the level of fear, by reducing the causes of fear—for our two peoples, and for all peoples in the world.”
But Nixon left amid scandal and Ford came in, and Ford’s Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld) and Chief of Staff (Dick Cheney) believed it was intolerable that Americans might no longer be bound by fear. Without fear, how could Americans be manipulated? And how could billions of dollars taken as taxes from average working people be transferred to the companies that Rumsfeld and Cheney – and their cronies – would soon work for and/or run?

Rumsfeld and Cheney began a concerted effort – first secretly and then openly – to undermine Nixon’s treaty for peace and to rebuild the state of fear.

They did it by claiming that the Soviets had a new secret weapon of mass destruction that the president didn’t know about, that the CIA didn’t know about, that nobody knew about but them. It was a nuclear submarine technology that was undetectable by current American technology. And, they said, because of this and related-undetectable-technology weapons, the US must redirect billions of dollars away from domestic programs and instead give the money to defense contractors for whom these two men would one day work or have businesses relationships with.

The CIA strongly disagreed, calling Rumsfeld’s position a “complete fiction”

and the peice goes on, you ABSOLUTELY MUST READ THAT PEACE, your head will explode, and remember it was published BEFORE we invaded Iraw

I predicted some time ago that these despots would use the “petroleum shock” as another chance to take more of the middle classes assets and redistribute those to the wealthy

I also predicted that the more this president and administration become exposed, the more brazen they will become

I remember growing up, when there was some goody in the fridge, so long as taking a littel peace could not be told I would take a litte peice, but when no matter how small you took a person could tell, then I took as much as I wanted since I would already be exposed

same thing with this administration;

we find out now that they are so defiant, even subpeona means nothing, they simply say;

“so what, we ain’t comming and there is nothing you are gonna do about it”

I mentioned on a previous thread, congress is powerless unlesss they use their power

obvious once told, yet not realized until spoke so I will say it again;

“CONGRESS IS POWERLESS IF THEY WILL NOT USE THEIR POWER”

they have n
ot jailed meyers, rove, and mukasey now claims he doesn’t even have to show up as well

and congress just gasps and does nothing

no matter the law, no matter the precidence, no matter any supreme court ruling

NO MATTER NOTHING

the president a DOES have ALL the power he claims so long as congress refuses to act

he does and no law, no court decision, NOTHING, means anything at all

and the american public now have battered wife syndrome, it is bizarre, the more he does the more he CAN get away with

we are a country under seige, this president was not elected in EITHER cycle, he was installed by the legasy of reagan and his father and he was kept in office by his friends writing the election machine codes

we are undern seige, a country overthrown in a silent coup

AND HE HAS THE POWER TO SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION AT WILL

yes he does, he can declare ANY event a “catastrophe” and invoke his “continuity of governemt”

do NOT be surprised if we DO attack Iran and if we THEN go under martial law, suspending this constitution

these bigots and masongenists did NOT amass all this power to hand it over to a democrat, a black man or all three, thay did NOT

HANG ON TO HATS, because we are in for a rude awakening