Comments on: Media Roundtable: The Politics of Satire at the New Yorker, Fannie and Freddie, and the US in Iran http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:29:19 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: gannonguckert http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-550 gannonguckert Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:23:44 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-550 <p>Good to hear from you, Oracle, but, really: you can’t be letting down on your verbal assertiveness.</p> <p>Next time, try this before writing: While standing, hang your head and arms, like preparing for gorilla walk at a fourth-grade playground recess. Now, shake your head, and begin growling like an angry bear. Walk across the room in slothful fashion, dragging your feet, swinging your arms, growling ever more loudly about whatever subject is bothering you. Work up your pitch as you cross the room, and before turning, stamp your feet and yell. Continue so back to your computer, then sit down and write what you really want to say.</p> Good to hear from you, Oracle, but, really: you can’t be letting down on your verbal assertiveness.

Next time, try this before writing: While standing, hang your head and arms, like preparing for gorilla walk at a fourth-grade playground recess. Now, shake your head, and begin growling like an angry bear. Walk across the room in slothful fashion, dragging your feet, swinging your arms, growling ever more loudly about whatever subject is bothering you. Work up your pitch as you cross the room, and before turning, stamp your feet and yell. Continue so back to your computer, then sit down and write what you really want to say.

]]> By: Albatross http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-542 Albatross Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:05:34 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-542 <p>No, I don’t think that’s true. I think that the problem is that something intended as a joke can also be interpreted, validly, as a criticism. If you know that the New Yorker is a liberal rag, you will tend to see the cartoon as hyperbole. If you are not familiar with the New Yorker (a concept apparently unfathomable to New Yorker editors), then you might assume it is a typical Right-wing publication, and that the cartoon is intended as an indictment of Obama’s unAmerican, Muslim, terrorist tendencies. </p> <p>The cartoon does not inform, the cartoon reflects and reinforces existing prejudices. Nobody looking at the cartoon will have their opinion changed, but some looking at the cartoon may have their opinions reinforced.</p> No, I don’t think that’s true. I think that the problem is that something intended as a joke can also be interpreted, validly, as a criticism. If you know that the New Yorker is a liberal rag, you will tend to see the cartoon as hyperbole. If you are not familiar with the New Yorker (a concept apparently unfathomable to New Yorker editors), then you might assume it is a typical Right-wing publication, and that the cartoon is intended as an indictment of Obama’s unAmerican, Muslim, terrorist tendencies.

The cartoon does not inform, the cartoon reflects and reinforces existing prejudices. Nobody looking at the cartoon will have their opinion changed, but some looking at the cartoon may have their opinions reinforced.

]]> By: rwcole http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-541 rwcole Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:00:35 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-541 <p>I agree. The whole theory of how some rube is gonna walk by the magazine stand- see the cover without picking up the magazine- and conclude that Obama is a Moslem who burns the flag is silly.</p> <p>Based on some kind of magical thinking to the effect that if you draw a picture of something you will make it come true.</p> I agree. The whole theory of how some rube is gonna walk by the magazine stand- see the cover without picking up the magazine- and conclude that Obama is a Moslem who burns the flag is silly.

Based on some kind of magical thinking to the effect that if you draw a picture of something you will make it come true.

]]> By: ChePasa http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-540 ChePasa Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:37:34 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-540 <p>I’d like to see any — <i>any</i> — proof that the Credulous Cretins of America who will see this cover of this magazine (which they would never, ever ever read) will be convinced by it that all the slurs and lies about the Obamas are true. </p> <p>I’d like to see any — <i>any</i> — proof that Americans are all — except for thee and me, and of course, I can’t be so sure about thee — dumb as posts.</p> <p>What I’ve seen is that some — <i>some</i> — Obama supporters are terrified that Americans are that dumb because they believe that everyone is ruled by the bloviators on cable teevee. </p> <p>Isn’t it odd that the bloviators on FOX aren’t parading this cover around except to denounce the New Yorker for publishing it. Shouldn’t they be happy and dancing and laughing their fool heads off because this cover will prove to the low-information voters who watch FOX that the Obamas are all the things FOX has been saying about them?</p> <p>And isn’t it interesting that more and more observers are saying, “You know, this cover has really got people to talk about those lies and those smears about the Obamas and to repeat over and over again that the lies and the smears are untrue.”</p> <p>And who, exactly, benefits from smearing and trashing the New Yorker?</p> I’d like to see any — any — proof that the Credulous Cretins of America who will see this cover of this magazine (which they would never, ever ever read) will be convinced by it that all the slurs and lies about the Obamas are true.

I’d like to see any — any — proof that Americans are all — except for thee and me, and of course, I can’t be so sure about thee — dumb as posts.

What I’ve seen is that some — some — Obama supporters are terrified that Americans are that dumb because they believe that everyone is ruled by the bloviators on cable teevee.

Isn’t it odd that the bloviators on FOX aren’t parading this cover around except to denounce the New Yorker for publishing it. Shouldn’t they be happy and dancing and laughing their fool heads off because this cover will prove to the low-information voters who watch FOX that the Obamas are all the things FOX has been saying about them?

And isn’t it interesting that more and more observers are saying, “You know, this cover has really got people to talk about those lies and those smears about the Obamas and to repeat over and over again that the lies and the smears are untrue.”

And who, exactly, benefits from smearing and trashing the New Yorker?

]]> By: i4u2bi http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-539 i4u2bi Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:21:55 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-539 <p>I gave myself a psychological loan and put this money in the stock market. The money is now gone so does anyone think IndyMac would give me a psychological loan to keep myself and America going? Trying to think positive here. I know it’s all my fault now and I’m so sorry about letting GW and Mc and America down.</p> I gave myself a psychological loan and put this money in the stock market. The money is now gone so does anyone think IndyMac would give me a psychological loan to keep myself and America going? Trying to think positive here. I know it’s all my fault now and I’m so sorry about letting GW and Mc and America down.

]]> By: mui1 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-538 mui1 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:18:57 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-538 <p>I stopped liking the New Yorker when I was a teenager. Occasionally I read it in the doctor’s office. I can’t put my finger on it but somehow I think the snooty tone of the magazine and some of its contributors (I’ll exclude Sy Hersh) compounds the failed satire and makes it all pretty inflammatory. People are credulous. This will stick in their mind. New Yorker staff is really stupid to think, “oh people couldn’t be so stupid to believe this.”</p> <p>–so Chimpy’s for sale. Not surprised. He certainly put the rest of the country up for sale.</p> I stopped liking the New Yorker when I was a teenager. Occasionally I read it in the doctor’s office. I can’t put my finger on it but somehow I think the snooty tone of the magazine and some of its contributors (I’ll exclude Sy Hersh) compounds the failed satire and makes it all pretty inflammatory. People are credulous. This will stick in their mind. New Yorker staff is really stupid to think, “oh people couldn’t be so stupid to believe this.”

–so Chimpy’s for sale. Not surprised. He certainly put the rest of the country up for sale.

]]> By: egregious http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-537 egregious Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:15:54 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-537 <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/not-a-close-question-on-torture/" rel="nofollow">New post</a> at FDL</p> New post at FDL

]]> By: Adie http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-536 Adie Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:11:39 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-536 <p>imo, it’s loaded, over the top, and dangerous. i’ve got good neighbors and contacts who do their best to understand issues, but don’t have time or ability to do all the research required to refute this sort of thing. It smacks them in the face and causes wounds that won’t easily heal, if they do at all.</p> <p>omg, they still can’t stand Gore, because of all the unfair neg. stuff thrown at him.</p> <p>Obama did NOT deserve this blow to his campaign.<br /> Nor does he deserve the constant barrage of little mis-pronunciations of his name by giggling Chris Matthews and his smarmy ilk.</p> <p>Thank heaven his campaign is pretty much ready for anything and everything, and quick - oh so quick(!). I guess they’ll just have to be.</p> <p>The “establishment” obviously thinks this is suitable fare, so i see I’m out-voted on this.</p> <p>But it’s wrong. just wrong. unfair. unwarranted. ymmv</p> imo, it’s loaded, over the top, and dangerous. i’ve got good neighbors and contacts who do their best to understand issues, but don’t have time or ability to do all the research required to refute this sort of thing. It smacks them in the face and causes wounds that won’t easily heal, if they do at all.

omg, they still can’t stand Gore, because of all the unfair neg. stuff thrown at him.

Obama did NOT deserve this blow to his campaign.
Nor does he deserve the constant barrage of little mis-pronunciations of his name by giggling Chris Matthews and his smarmy ilk.

Thank heaven his campaign is pretty much ready for anything and everything, and quick – oh so quick(!). I guess they’ll just have to be.

The “establishment” obviously thinks this is suitable fare, so i see I’m out-voted on this.

But it’s wrong. just wrong. unfair. unwarranted. ymmv

]]> By: barbara http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-535 barbara Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:07:12 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-535 <p>The visual impact of this magazine on people who would never dream of looking between the covers cannot be overstated. Without the laborious explanations (earlier today, I posted the email response I got from the New Yorker to my FDL-inspired letter), the illustration totally cements the false impressions. The New Yorker knows the power of images. There is absolutely no excuse for this. None. Thus spake the oracle.</p> The visual impact of this magazine on people who would never dream of looking between the covers cannot be overstated. Without the laborious explanations (earlier today, I posted the email response I got from the New Yorker to my FDL-inspired letter), the illustration totally cements the false impressions. The New Yorker knows the power of images. There is absolutely no excuse for this. None. Thus spake the oracle.

]]> By: tbsa http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-534 tbsa Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:00:16 +0000 http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/media-roundtable-the-politics-of-satire-fannie-and-freddie-and-the-us-in-iran/#comment-534 <p>Far too many will not see it as depicting the insanity of how some people view the Obamas. They will instead view it as a true depiction of the Obamas, that’s all I am saying. I know the New Yorker is known for pushing the line at times with their covers. This missed the mark this time IMO.</p> Far too many will not see it as depicting the insanity of how some people view the Obamas. They will instead view it as a true depiction of the Obamas, that’s all I am saying. I know the New Yorker is known for pushing the line at times with their covers. This missed the mark this time IMO.

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